Curse

russiansteven · Jul 28, 2009, 01:13 AM // 01:13

You all know that XTH was just something people used for money right? I mean what else could we have used XTH for? Since XTH is down nobody cares about the tournaments anymore. If they shuts down XTH, Z-keys will go up. If z-keys go up that means people will do more PvP and work for their z-keys instead of being lazy and relying on XTH to get them their z-keys, FoW sets, gold, whatever.

- Stop being lazy and actually work for your z-keys for now. When XTH is back-up go ahead and start slacking off again.

fog_of_redoubt · Jul 28, 2009, 01:26 AM // 01:26

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Originally Posted by Melandrus Torment

I call bullshit right here.

You pay for the game but pay absolutely nothing for any of the updates you recieve. You don't pay for a subscription and anything else that's added to this game after your intitial purchase is done clearly off Anets own back. Therefore you don't really have any right to claim "well I paid for this service" because you are not paying for any service. XTH is not a service, and shouldn't even be considered as such (and if you really want to consider it as one it's most definitely a "free" service). When you start paying to use it then maybe you have grounds to complain.

Some of you people should be thankful they even add anything because they are most certainly not obliged to. I'm assuming you understood this when you first installed the game.

Oh and lastly a developer posted in this thread about it, go figure.

Crying about it isn't going to fix the problem any quicker.

And I call BS right back.

If Anet wants us to recognize a pattern here. A pattern of pay once, and DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT ASKING US FOR ANYTHING OR HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING, once you buy GW2??

Then maybe there will be a LOT of folks not buying. I am basing my purchase decision off of there support behavior.

Karate Jesus · Jul 28, 2009, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by fenix

I'm with Dome, simply coming out and saying "Sorry guys, we've been delayed because of X and Y, but we're trying our hardest to get the content out to you. As a bonus we'll give *insert bonus weekend* for a week" is FAR more effective than constantly lying, changing stories, or simply saying nothing.

I couldn't agree more. Has the PR team never heard of incentives? Whether they like it or not, GW has been getting treated like a red-headed step child.....and the community is reacting poorly to it (not that I speak for the whole community, but seriously.....just look here and on GWW. People who normally defend Anet are getting pissed).

Tell us you fck'd up, even though we already know you did, then as an act of attrition give us something to smooth it over.

Wish Swiftdeath · Jul 28, 2009, 02:05 AM // 02:05

I think Linsey is doing a fine job, the problem is that Anet don't have enough staff on GW1 to give us the updates that they promised.

There isn't really alot one or two people can do, it's up to the people at the top to start hiring more people.

MMSDome · Jul 28, 2009, 03:36 AM // 03:36

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

It's been 3 months, but hey

As far as I know, Linsey has been working her butt off for the April update, basically doing the work of two people. Something I can only have the greatest of respect for. And content wise, the April update was a fair deal, as far as I as non-developer can tell.

rounding up its 4 months seeing as august is a few days away.

Lishy · Jul 28, 2009, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by Wish Swiftdeath

I think Linsey is doing a fine job, the problem is that Anet don't have enough staff on GW1 to give us the updates that they promised.

There isn't really alot one or two people can do, it's up to the people at the top to start hiring more people.

This.
I hear Linsey sometimes workes 80 hours a week and sometimes stays overnight in the office.
Though there's rumors anet is hiring now for devs and that the hiring has been going on for a long time.

All I can say is, I feel bad for the team.

Master Ketsu · Jul 28, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by russiansteven

You all know that XTH was just something people used for money right? I mean what else could we have used XTH for? Since XTH is down nobody cares about the tournaments anymore. If they shuts down XTH, Z-keys will go up. If z-keys go up that means people will do more PvP and work for their z-keys instead of being lazy and relying on XTH to get them their z-keys, FoW sets, gold, whatever.

- Stop being lazy and actually work for your z-keys for now. When XTH is back-up go ahead and start slacking off again.

QFT

XTH == RMT

XTH should stay dead.

funway ftw · Jul 28, 2009, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra

That was from a developer update written by the development team. We have not forgotten about it. The team has been having discussions about future content updates, and of course those discussions are taking place while keeping that message in mind, but balancing that against what resources we have. You know that Linsey worked for months with no weekends, often working 80 or more hours per week and staying overnight at the office to get that update out the door. This is not a pace that Linsey can sustain forever. Because of the success of the update, we've been able to get resources to hire another designer. This will help Linsey so much with the workload. This hiring process has taken a while, but this is pretty normal when it comes to hiring. The team has high standards, and they've been looking for the most qualified and best candidates. Linsey is keenly aware of that messaging, and she knows that you want information. We just need to make sure that all our ducks are in a row before we discuss details in public

so from this i read
1/ Linsey works hard and there was plenty of communication to that effect when the last update was postponed and when finally released this would also explain why linseys journal page died and wasnt posted in for almost a month.... (dont get me wrong i dont envy linseys job for one second!)A few skill balances (breaking more skills then fixing them like crazy) and cape awards later we are still none the wiser we know its "broken", we know its "gone" and we know you are "talking about it" what we want to know is what has happened in the last 45 days to fix it!! It wasnt as broken as it is now before the new interface can anyone actually accept that maybe that broke it? yes it was broken a "bit" before that, but its "stuffed" now!

and finally
2/ we cashed in on all the money the last update made us from the ingame "purchases" and we have convinced anet to let us spend some of it on another dev to help us create more updates people can spend money on!

I mean seriously the last update was a money sink for the community. It gave you no more ingame accesses or dungeons it just rewarded (and that is an overstatement) people for redoing mind numbing quests! That was just to gloss over the money grab that the rest of the so called "update" created.

The traveller isnt worth doing i see less and less people doing it weekly I know my guildies rarely bother and given time neither will anyone else.

Communication please!! whats happening?? Lack of response and communication only creates the feeling in the community that "not much" is happening at anet alltogether. Which then just snowballs to gws2 and the lack of communication with it as well but thats a seperate issue altogether.

Daesu · Jul 28, 2009, 04:51 AM // 04:51

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

QFT

XTH == RMT

XTH should stay dead.

If they dont want to provide XTH then they shouldn't have advertised it on their website, convinced us to buy new accounts, then take our money.

If you take the money, you are obliged to provide the advertised service otherwise it would be unethical.

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

This.
I hear Linsey sometimes workes 80 hours a week and sometimes stays overnight in the office.
Though there's rumors anet is hiring now for devs and that the hiring has been going on for a long time.

All I can say is, I feel bad for the team.

Nobody says Linsey has to do all the work. With this bad economy I am sure there are lots of people looking for work.

If they cant get an expert coder right away, then they should train some promising person.

fenix · Jul 28, 2009, 05:01 AM // 05:01

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Originally Posted by Daesu

If they dont want to provide XTH then they shouldn't have advertised it on their website, convinced us to buy new accounts, then take our money.

If you take the money, you are obliged to provide the advertised service otherwise it would be unethical.

Nobody says Linsey has to do all the work. With this bad economy I am sure there are lots of people looking for work.

If they cant get an expert coder right away, then they should train some promising person.

If you were convinced to buy new accounts because of their advertisements, you are doing it wrong. They were advertising the XTH so existing players would sign up, NOT so they would buy accounts, and so players who have quit/don't play the game are shown a cool new thing they can join the game to use.

Those who bought accounts just for XTH are greedy.

Mordakai · Jul 28, 2009, 05:02 AM // 05:02

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Originally Posted by Daesu

If they dont want to provide XTH then they shouldn't have advertised it on their website, convinced us to buy new accounts, then take our money.

If you take the money, you are obliged to provide the advertised service otherwise it would be unethical.

That's quite a stretch. Was there a button to "Buy more accounts" next to the ad?

If you wanted to buy more accounts, that's your right, but I'm pretty sure XTH was steup primarily as a way to encourage people to get more involved in PvP, not as a Zkey making machine.

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Nobody says Linsey has to do all the work. With this bad economy I am sure there are lots of people looking for work.

If they cant get an expert coder right away, then they should train some promising person.

No. All additional resources should be going to GW2.

Daesu · Jul 28, 2009, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by Mordakai

That's quite a stretch. Was there a button to "Buy more accounts" next to the ad?

What are you talking about? Their rules says 1 entry per account. That implies if you have more accounts you can have more entries.

Besides if there are further restrictions, they should have stated them clearly in their rules. Otherwise, people would continue to buy more accounts spurred on by their advertisement of grand rewards.

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Originally Posted by fenix

If you were convinced to buy new accounts because of their advertisements, you are doing it wrong. They were advertising the XTH so existing players would sign up, NOT so they would buy accounts, and so players who have quit/don't play the game are shown a cool new thing they can join the game to use.

If that has been their intention to have the XTH only for existing accounts, then they SHOULD have stated it clearly in their rules. Why didn't they? Oh that's right, perhaps they really want people to buy new accounts?

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Those who bought accounts just for XTH are greedy.

Those who bought new accounts spent their hard earned money on it. It was a fair transaction. To be greedy is not to deliver what you have promised, after taking the money, then run away and do nothing. Which I am sure ANet is not that sort of a company.

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No. All additional resources should be going to GW2.

Then expect more bitching from the GW1 community if that is they way they do CR. If GW2 takes another 2 years to develop then that means no GW1 updates for the next 2 years? Good luck.

Lishy · Jul 28, 2009, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by funway ftw

it just rewarded (and that is an overstatement) people for redoing mind numbing quests!

Isn't that the whole point of guild wars? Or am I missing something?

fenix · Jul 28, 2009, 05:27 AM // 05:27

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Those who bought new accounts spent their hard earned money on it. It was a fair transaction. To be greedy is not to deliver what you have promised, after taking the money, then run away and do nothing. Which I am sure ANet is not that sort of a company.

And here you undo your entire 'argument'.

They never promised anything.

Daesu · Jul 28, 2009, 05:32 AM // 05:32

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Originally Posted by fenix

And here you undo your entire 'argument'.

They never promised anything.

That is where you are wrong. They promised lots of attractive prizes for taking part in the XTH:

https://www.guildwars.com/competitiv...use/prizes.php

fenix · Jul 28, 2009, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by Daesu

That is where you are wrong. They promised lots of attractive prizes for taking part in the XTH:

https://www.guildwars.com/competitiv...use/prizes.php

And yet, you still miss the point. There are no promises there.

There is nothing saying that they guarantee the XTH will always be around, there is nothing saying they guarantee you'll get things from it. It was a free bonus addition, was never promised to be anything more than that, so if it goes down and doesn't come back for X, or forever, that's up to ANet. They have no obligation to fix it.

Daesu · Jul 28, 2009, 05:41 AM // 05:41

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Originally Posted by fenix

There is nothing saying that they guarantee the XTH will always be around, there is nothing saying they guarantee you'll get things from it. It was a free bonus addition, was never promised to be anything more than that, so if it goes down and doesn't come back for X, or forever, that's up to ANet. They have no obligation to fix it.

And yet you are missing my point. Many people have already bought GW accounts because of their XTH advertisements in the past and people are STILL buying GW accounts for XTH. Why? Because ANet SAID XTH would be repaired and be back (check various websites and posts on this thread from ANet staff).

You are the one that misunderstood their intentions. ANet never said that XTH is gone forever. That is why it is important for a company like ANet to say what they mean and mean they say. And I hope you all would stop distorting their words and intentions with your own just because you want zkey prices to rise. Talk about calling others "greedy".

shoyon456 · Jul 28, 2009, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by fog_of_redoubt

And I call BS right back.

If Anet wants us to recognize a pattern here. A pattern of pay once, and DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT ASKING US FOR ANYTHING OR HOLDING US ACCOUNTABLE FOR ANYTHING, once you buy GW2??

Then maybe there will be a LOT of folks not buying. I am basing my purchase decision off of there support behavior.

To further illustrate this point, because I agree with it:
I do not even have to PAY to dl/play Perfect World, Last Chaos, and Runes of Magic to name a few. These games receive regular content updates and offer ample content. You may not enjoy these games, because they diverge greatly from the gameplay of guildwars. However, by the poster fog was replying to's logic I don't even deserve the support they offer, since I didn't pay for their game in the first place!

Guildwars makes me buy the game AND now has microtransactions like these free to play/download games. I'm not talking about the differences in the games, I'm talking about the differences in support and CR here. Anet has gotten my disapproval by essentially neglecting their game. Anet has proven they can produce good games, but if they are going to follow it up with half-assed support by forgetting about their current games, isolate themselves from their playerbase, and continually break their "goals" to the community, I don't want to be a part of the community.

Id rather play a game I sort-of like with great support and continual updates, than a great game that gets stale and rots quickly. Any other studio would have actually continued to give great attention to their old game, instead of using a new game as an excuse. Sure they are a small company, which means they bit off more they could chew. As alluded to, they should have said this and tried to seem empathetic to the community.

Evading your "goals" by saying thats all they were and not "promises" is an excuse, plain and simple. When I was younger, I got spanked every time I made up an excuse like that. People are simple, make them feel good and they'll respond positively. By being apologetic and admitting to your shortcommings while promising to do better in the future, you meet this goal and most people will understand. Right now it seems as if Anet does not even have a PR department.

Master Ketsu · Jul 28, 2009, 06:13 AM // 06:13

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And yet you are missing my point. Many people have already bought GW accounts because of their XTH advertisements in the past and people are STILL buying GW accounts for XTH. Why? Because ANet SAID XTH would be repaired and be back (check various websites and posts on this thread from ANet staff).

You are the one that misunderstood their intentions. ANet never said that XTH is gone forever. That is why it is important for a company like ANet to say what they mean and mean they say. And I hope you all would stop distorting their words and intentions with your own just because you want zkey prices to rise. Talk about calling others "greedy".

No, the person missing the point is you.

The XTH was never intended to be an RMT service ( unless you want to be a conspiracy theorist. ) When you purchased a new account, were you agreeing to a XTH Eula? No, of course not. You agreed to the original GW Eula which says nothing about the XTH staying forever and in fact says everything about reserving the right to change the game and that RMT is forbidden. You did not buy Zkey's, you bought an additional account

If you purchased additional accounts for the sole purpose of farming XTH, despite the fact that this is not what purchasing additional accounts officially guarantees you, then that purchase was a gamble. Get that through your thick head. G-A-M-B-L-E There exists no obligation since that is not the originally intended agreement for purchasing a GW account. An additional account is for access to the GW universe. It doesn't matter what you think or intend to use it for, that is essentially what you are signing up for. And if XTH stays dead, it's your loss. Unless you can find specific documentation that states that your purchase of the account guarantees free Zkey's ( which you can't, because it doesn't exist ) you are shit out of luck.

refer · Jul 28, 2009, 06:51 AM // 06:51

Am I the only one who doesn't give a damn about Zkeys? Make them untradeable, that will kill them off as title buying/currency items.

Besides that though, I just want new freaking daggers for my PvP character. The default ones are horrible. The only way to get PvP rewards though is through XTH. There is no other way. My secret hope is that they are recoding things and FINALLY allowing unlocks.

I can dream, right?